Back on July 6, 2007 I posted a message about Kim Clement, and that I was still on the fence about him.
Then I saw a message (prophesy) that seemed to point to God saying Barack Obama was going to be our next President (of the U.S.). Since my support has been and still is for Dr. Ron Paul -- I prayed about it, mostly to gain some insight or discernment whether Mr. Clement is indeed a prophet of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; the same God who sent His only son to be our Savior. Sometimes answers to that sort of prayer come by way of allowing me to answer the question myself, as it did in this case.
The evening of Sunday, April 13 2008 I watched something on TBN, I forget what it was now. Then I left the room to get ready for bed and left the t.v. on; and as I was walking back to turn off the t.v. I saw Kim Clement was on so I listened for a couple of moments. I'm going to paraphrase what he said, since I didn't write it down right away, or record it (I did write it down the next day). He gave some sort of prophesy and then he said that 'if you believe (or accept) what I've said, a spirit of prophesy will be put inside you, because I have spoken it.' I thought it was kind of creepy, and also pretty unscriptural. I've read the New Testament a few times, and not once did I see anywhere that one had to wait for a prophet to speak something and for you then to believe or accept it before it would come to pass. (The word that comes to mind is hubris.)
In my spiritual warfare studies, it seems that demonic spirits will take on a singular name; so as far as I can tell -- if such a 'spirit of prophesy' were to come into a person because they accepted what Kim said, it was a demonic spirit. (See: Acts 16:16 - (ESV) As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a [singular] spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by fortune-telling.
According to scripture, prophesy is one of several 'gifts of the Spirit' (Spirit being the Holy Spirit). 1Co 12:4 (4) Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; (ESV) as well as 1 Cor 12:9 and 10.
When I went to the Elijah List site to find the particular message where Kim 'prophesied' about Mr. Obama, I found this recent message on the site and decided to read it. In it he says:
Having come from an abusive home and studied spiritual warfare, I know for sure that it is the devil that tries to destroy boundaries, we need to have some boundaries and discernment or else you end up with 'anything goes', don't you? In John 10:7 it is written:
(7) So Jesus again said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. (ESV)
and in John 10:1 and 2 it is written:
(1) "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber.
(2) But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. (ESV)
Isn't a door and a sheepfold a boundary? And isn't the one who 'climbs in by another way' someone who tries to get around those boundaries? Yes, and yes. And in Nehemiah 1:3 it is written:
(3) And they said to me, "The remnant there in the province who had survived the exile is in great trouble and shame. The wall of Jerusalem is broken down, and its gates are destroyed by fire." (ESV)
and in Nehemiah 2:17 it is written:
(17) Then I said to them, "You see the trouble we are in, how Jerusalem lies in ruins with its gates burned. Come, let us build the wall of Jerusalem, that we may no longer suffer derision." (ESV)
He went to re-build the wall -- which is a boundary, so that they would no longer suffer derision. It appears to me that Kim (or his 'god') is suggesting that we remove all boundaries, without discernment, and that is dangerous. That leaves one wide open to any lies the devil wants you to believe. In the above quote Kim Clement said 'why does the enemy always come and restrict us?' -- my question is: who is the enemy that he speaks of?
While it's true that we sometimes have unneccesary restrictions or burdens, (and EFT can help with those) we also need to use discernment. One of the biggest dangers I see with some of these prophesies is that it can lead to feeling apathetic, and believing something has already been 'ordained' when it really hasn't been. So, fwiw, I've now come off of the fence so to speak, and now believe Kim Clement to be a false prophet.
Then I saw a message (prophesy) that seemed to point to God saying Barack Obama was going to be our next President (of the U.S.). Since my support has been and still is for Dr. Ron Paul -- I prayed about it, mostly to gain some insight or discernment whether Mr. Clement is indeed a prophet of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; the same God who sent His only son to be our Savior. Sometimes answers to that sort of prayer come by way of allowing me to answer the question myself, as it did in this case.
The evening of Sunday, April 13 2008 I watched something on TBN, I forget what it was now. Then I left the room to get ready for bed and left the t.v. on; and as I was walking back to turn off the t.v. I saw Kim Clement was on so I listened for a couple of moments. I'm going to paraphrase what he said, since I didn't write it down right away, or record it (I did write it down the next day). He gave some sort of prophesy and then he said that 'if you believe (or accept) what I've said, a spirit of prophesy will be put inside you, because I have spoken it.' I thought it was kind of creepy, and also pretty unscriptural. I've read the New Testament a few times, and not once did I see anywhere that one had to wait for a prophet to speak something and for you then to believe or accept it before it would come to pass. (The word that comes to mind is hubris.)
In my spiritual warfare studies, it seems that demonic spirits will take on a singular name; so as far as I can tell -- if such a 'spirit of prophesy' were to come into a person because they accepted what Kim said, it was a demonic spirit. (See: Acts 16:16 - (ESV) As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a [singular] spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by fortune-telling.
According to scripture, prophesy is one of several 'gifts of the Spirit' (Spirit being the Holy Spirit). 1Co 12:4 (4) Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; (ESV) as well as 1 Cor 12:9 and 10.
When I went to the Elijah List site to find the particular message where Kim 'prophesied' about Mr. Obama, I found this recent message on the site and decided to read it. In it he says:
The enemy has put up barriers and lies and persuaded you. Why are there always boundaries, why are there always laws, why does the enemy always come and restrict us?
Having come from an abusive home and studied spiritual warfare, I know for sure that it is the devil that tries to destroy boundaries, we need to have some boundaries and discernment or else you end up with 'anything goes', don't you? In John 10:7 it is written:
(7) So Jesus again said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. (ESV)
and in John 10:1 and 2 it is written:
(1) "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber.
(2) But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. (ESV)
Isn't a door and a sheepfold a boundary? And isn't the one who 'climbs in by another way' someone who tries to get around those boundaries? Yes, and yes. And in Nehemiah 1:3 it is written:
(3) And they said to me, "The remnant there in the province who had survived the exile is in great trouble and shame. The wall of Jerusalem is broken down, and its gates are destroyed by fire." (ESV)
and in Nehemiah 2:17 it is written:
(17) Then I said to them, "You see the trouble we are in, how Jerusalem lies in ruins with its gates burned. Come, let us build the wall of Jerusalem, that we may no longer suffer derision." (ESV)
He went to re-build the wall -- which is a boundary, so that they would no longer suffer derision. It appears to me that Kim (or his 'god') is suggesting that we remove all boundaries, without discernment, and that is dangerous. That leaves one wide open to any lies the devil wants you to believe. In the above quote Kim Clement said 'why does the enemy always come and restrict us?' -- my question is: who is the enemy that he speaks of?
While it's true that we sometimes have unneccesary restrictions or burdens, (and EFT can help with those) we also need to use discernment. One of the biggest dangers I see with some of these prophesies is that it can lead to feeling apathetic, and believing something has already been 'ordained' when it really hasn't been. So, fwiw, I've now come off of the fence so to speak, and now believe Kim Clement to be a false prophet.
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